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#101 21/5/10 13:51

Mukade
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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

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Having fun with the long novels? big_smile
Anyways, are we going to see some updated footage of Flatline in near future? I'm just wondering where the project went, since the last preview was two years ago. roll

Nooo, I actually remember some quite recent "previews" at least concerning the progress, if you cycle through the "pictures" thread. It's somewhere near the last 5 pages or so


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#102 21/5/10 15:24

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/Sorry, I can get carried away, I write blogs, and such.


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#103 21/5/10 18:26

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

If you'll let me go back a little, I have an idea for "countering" throws.  Instead of escaping from throws, could we make it so that the "counter" simply reduces the damage you take?  Then the counter could be just like a normal block, cause it wouldn't be invincible.


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#104 21/5/10 20:37

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That's not a bad idea... except we're back where we started. The problem isn't not being able to comletely stop the animation. The problem is that we can't get the game to register a throw as a condition, or to be able to do anything about it.

I may be wrong...


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#105 22/5/10 6:18

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

THREAD HIJACK
Throw escape tech demo

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Screw this, I am going home...

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#106 22/5/10 6:47

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Haha, I was hoping you'd show up and do that.  I was going to link to that demo of yours but I couldn't find the movie on your site.

Edit: Hmm, is this a new demo?


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#107 22/5/10 6:54

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

You bet it is new, did it today instead of studies for exam.

Solved escaping issue - now you can escape the sequence after initial stun. Requires reflexes and a bit of luck, but can be done.

Performed with AI which was set to throw each time it gets a chance, so "double stun" is present due to that. AI can force throws (does not have to virtually press attack + forward), so it grabbed me from escape move several times in a video.

I doubt player can pull off that "double stun", especially if we count in lags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tanbou

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#108 22/5/10 9:39

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Well done! Do I dare ask what you messed around with to pull that off? Like, was it an XML setting or did you get into that deep coding stuff that i don't understand?


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#109 22/5/10 11:58

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Impressive. And interesting. I haven't played any games with throw escapes before, so now I'm all curious about them, heh.

It seems like they have the potential to make the throw moves more or less useless, but I imagine the game developers wouldn't want that. Do throw escapes require extremely precise timing that's difficult to predict beforehand, or something?

(Also, I've got a listing of settled and unsettled points from this conversation up in the OP, so if anyone wants to discuss anything from there, go ahead.)

EDIT: Finally got a chance to try Mukade's VDG mod. It's really fun. I think in the long run, though, it would probably be more interesting to just shorten the VDG's stun time (so your best followup to a VDG shot, instead of just a backbreaker every time, would vary depending on how far away you were etc). But I'd definitely consider turning the PSP into something like Mukade's version of the VDG.

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#110 22/5/10 16:21

Jon God
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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Loser wrote:

THREAD HIJACK
Throw escape tech demo

Real Life wrote:

Screw this, I am going home...


I really, really like this.


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#111 22/5/10 16:58

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Jon God wrote:

I really, really like this.

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#112 22/5/10 21:43

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Nice. Don't go deleting the files. tongue Or even better, send them to me so I can see. wink


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#113 22/5/10 22:11

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Loser: Please share your experiments with us :-)

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#114 23/5/10 5:01

Loser
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Here guys, have fun with it.

As for EdT - you should start thinkning about creating some nice animations for these "stuns" and throw escapes.

Don't be scared. All Konoko derived, all Striker derived and all Comguy derived classes need these:

- punch stun anim (gut punch) + response
- kick stun anim (gut knee) + response

^Those should be very, very short

Next:
- stunned in pain
- fall to the ground from stun
- escape move(s)

We can have as much escape moves as we want, but I would like to see one offensive escape move ( some sort of counterattack ) and one defensive ( quick dashout ).

First is good to be used in 1 vs 1 as you can reverse situation and became attacker.
Second is useful vs group as it is better to back away.

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#115 23/5/10 18:04

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Tanbou: Thank you, the moves work great.  Paradox may start looking at the TRAMs, he is more creative than me :-)

Note to everyone else:  If you want the other AI's to react to the "Stun" punch you will need to add the following to the their TRAC:

            <TRACAnimation>
                <Weight>100</Weight>
                <Animation>TRAMKONOKOwatch_radio</Animation>
            </TRACAnimation>
            <TRACAnimation>
                <Weight>100</Weight>
                <Animation>TRAMKONOKOwatch_start</Animation>
            </TRACAnimation>
              <TRACAnimation>
                <Weight>100</Weight>
                <Animation>TRAMKONOKOwatch_stop</Animation>
            </TRACAnimation>

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#116 24/5/10 21:04

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Well, it looks like that discussion has wound down, so Jon God has gone ahead and started a new thread to discuss everything that we don't like about Oni, so we know what to change going forwards in order to get and keep new players. Check his thread out at http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/v … hp?id=1622.

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#117 28/5/10 21:37

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

And now it looks like the thread about what we don't like has wound down, so I've gone ahead and started another new thread to discuss everything that we DO like about Oni. This time it's so we know what to keep and expand upon going forwards in order to get and keep new players. Check the new thread out at http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/v … hp?id=1625.

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#118 7/6/10 1:10

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Re: Debates And Stuff - Current Topic: Desired Changes In Oni

Similarly, the "likes" thread has wound down, so I've gone ahead and started another new thread. This one is to discuss what we'd like to see changed about Oni to make it even better, particularly in the context of multiplayer. The new thread is at http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/v … hp?id=1637 .

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