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#26 30/6/10 16:48

Jon God
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Registered: 17/1/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Paff wrote:
love_Oni wrote:

Here's the movie showing the bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsG1qMae1Sg

This "mysterious" bug has been known for long but it seems no one has fixed it. Of course, I think it should be fixed. tongue

Whoa, that's awesome! I imagine lots of people want it fixed, though. sad

I'll add it to the OP.

Uh, yeah. I would say that is an exploit.


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#27 11/7/10 18:46

s10k
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Registered: 14/1/07
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Re: Bug Compendium

Where's another bug that should be fixed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weTtAP_TUbM

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#28 11/7/10 20:21

Gumby
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From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: 30/8/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Hehe. I've known about that one for a while.


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#29 11/7/10 21:25

Mukade
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From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada
Registered: 29/5/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Hmm, never seen that... although now that you mention it, another one that would be good is hitting through walls, although it can be funny


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#30 11/7/10 23:41

Paff
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From: Karatu, Arusha, Tanzania
Registered: 18/4/10
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Re: Bug Compendium

Normal attacks through walls is listed in #8. Didn't know about shooting through walls - that's pretty cool. Added it as #11.

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#31 12/7/10 12:27

azewrath
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From: Malaysia
Registered: 21/6/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Somehow the TCTF elite members' back throw doesnt seem to deal any damage.... or is it already fixed? My pardon for not visiting this forum for quite awhile  tongue  but i'd run a search n didnt really see any post regarding that


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#32 12/7/10 12:35

Loser
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From: somewhere in da Czech Republic
Registered: 14/1/07

Re: Bug Compendium

It was fixed in Loser combat system.

And will be fixed in the Multiplayer combat system, rest assured. Just be patient...

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#33 14/7/10 18:04

Mengjun
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From: Netherlands
Registered: 14/11/08

Re: Bug Compendium

First of all, long time no see guys, though I don't know if you remember me after disappearing for a year =o

Anyway, I toyed with Oni today again (for the first time in over a year =o) and I think I noticed something. There's this setup that I could use to essentially make 1v1 fights a walk in the park.

Step 1: Knock the opponent down.
Step 2: Jump forward, and do a kick on the way down. Time this in such a way that it connects *after* the opponent has recovered.
Step 3: Now two things can happen.
1) Opponent fails to block, and gets knocked down. Go to step 2.
2) Opponent blocks. Follow up with a forward + kick running throw. He can't avoid this I think, since you seem to be able to throw your opponent *during* blockstun. Go to step 2.
3) Opponent rolls. Follow him with a running kick, which will likely catch him at the end of the roll, and knock him down. Go to step 2.

So yea, there's still some stuff I'm not completely sure about, but yea, this seems to break 1v1 fights.

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#34 14/7/10 18:50

Iritscen
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From: NC, USA
Registered: 22/10/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Hey Mengjun, I remember you! smile

What if the opponent rolls to one side?  That would break the chain, right?

But yes, it is an issue that you can throw your enemy while they block.  We've talked a little about ways to deal with this, although a proper solution is tricky.  We'll need to resolve this one for multiplayer mode.


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#35 14/7/10 21:13

Gumby
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From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: 30/8/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Yeah, rolling to the side OR a counterattack should break that chain.


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#36 15/7/10 0:40

Mukade
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From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada
Registered: 29/5/07

Re: Bug Compendium

We can't help this issue in single player as far as i know... not without doing some major edits to the melee/combat IDs

Until then, it's up to you to decide: Are you fighting to win? In which case, yeah, go for it you'll lose less health. But in my opinion, all you have to do is ignore this combo and shake things up with some moves you don't normally use,  (such as side+fw+kick, which is surprisinly effective, and looks really cool when timed right, or bk+fw+kick, etc..)

It's not like you HAVE to do those steps. And in multiplayer, this shouldn't be a problem, people are smarter than that. A counterattack would be most effective, though computers don't tend to do so immediatly. And there has been talk of fixing the problem by use of throw counters, although I don't know if that's still in the works or not.


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#37 15/7/10 4:31

Mengjun
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From: Netherlands
Registered: 14/11/08

Re: Bug Compendium

Ah, I see. And it's not like those steps are really going to help me well in group fights too, so I need to know how to fight properly anyway. *Back to shaking off all the rust =o

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#38 15/7/10 12:43

Loser
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From: somewhere in da Czech Republic
Registered: 14/1/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Mengjun - Yeah, I also noticed that bug, but it was too late, combat system was already packed

Solution is easy and will be part of multiplayer combat system - Each time you land ( jump or fall does not matter ), you will be forced to play hard land animation.

I know some of you guys will not agree, but by doing that, I will
- get rid of this spammy jump kick -> run throw combo
- get rid of kangaroos, who would otherwise jump around like idiots, abusing guns

And grab stun -> throw system is only for standing grapple, running throws will be still instant. But to compensate, they will deal lower damage. And even in vanilla Oni, they are avoidable by ducking. Duck + sweep is great revenge for failed attempt to run throw ^_^.

Tanbou

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#39 15/7/10 17:41

Gumby
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From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: 30/8/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Loser wrote:

Mengjun - Yeah, I also noticed that bug, but it was too late, combat system was already packed

Solution is easy and will be part of multiplayer combat system - Each time you land ( jump or fall does not matter ), you will be forced to play hard land animation.

I know some of you guys will not agree, but by doing that, I will
- get rid of this spammy jump kick -> run throw combo
- get rid of kangaroos, who would otherwise jump around like idiots, abusing guns

And grab stun -> throw system is only for standing grapple, running throws will be still instant. But to compensate, they will deal lower damage. And even in vanilla Oni, they are avoidable by ducking. Duck + sweep is great revenge for failed attempt to run throw ^_^.

Tanbou

Eww no. Hard landing will look horrible, and leave the player vulnerable. And make parkour impossible. sad


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#40 15/7/10 18:40

Mukade
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From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada
Registered: 29/5/07

Re: Bug Compendium

I have to agree with Gumby, it might take more work, but it would probably be better to just edit the regular landing animation to still look okay, but perhaps a few frames longer than before, so it has a similar effect, but doesn't look terrible tongue

Or we can try without doing anything, and if it turns out that it's causing a problem, we can then try and introduce a patch to fix and see if that helps any


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#41 17/7/10 2:28

Paff
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From: Karatu, Arusha, Tanzania
Registered: 18/4/10
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Re: Bug Compendium

On the SWAT throws: Huh, didn't know that. I guess it's already fixed though, so I'll leave it out of the OP, unless you guys think it should be added.

On Mengjun's bit: I'm not sure that's a bug so much as a failure of the AI/balance problem.

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#42 17/7/10 10:58

azewrath
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From: Malaysia
Registered: 21/6/07

Re: Bug Compendium

What about punching n kicking thru walls? Is that fixed?


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#43 17/7/10 13:52

Mukade
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From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada
Registered: 29/5/07

Re: Bug Compendium

Don't think so, I have an idea of maybe how it can be fixed, but not sure if it applys to this game


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