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#1 7/7/08 19:32

EdT
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Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

http://edt.oni2.net/AE_Files/BrutalKonoko.zip
Put both files in the level0_Final folder and rebuild level0

Added the following moves to the Brutal Konoko melee profile (melee ID 16):
Crescent Moon, Willow Kick, Twister Kick Right and Left.

Also added a "TESTING" melee profile at the end of the file, so you can test your own Attack technique.  It uses the melee ID: 2C

Here is a list of Melee Move IDs for use with OniSplit.
http://wiki.oni2.net/AE:Melee_Move_ID

Many thanks to Loser for his help smile

Last edited by EdT (7/7/08 19:33)

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#2 8/7/08 0:13

coool
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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Oh...I want to make my owe melee ai,but I don't understand it much,about what the numbers mean,what the words mean...

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#3 8/7/08 15:20

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Thanks for motivation EdT, now THIS is Brutal Konoko ^_^. Seriously, this is the best I can squeeze off that old concept. It would need more work (add a little more moving around, better guard against running throws etc...), but so far this is enough I think. It can be easily defeated either by constant side kicking or by constant run throwing. Apart from these, it is pretty hard. Requires these moves to be unlocked:
P_P_P, K_K_KFW, kick_heavy, twister kicks, willow kick, back/front run throw.

P.S.: Feel free to experiment (and post it) but don't plan any BIG projects with MELE right now. After we (me?) finish TRAMs improvement (wall collision, some mixing with damage and anim flags etc), then you (and others) will write new MELE so it suits new possibilities of characters. Agreed?
                                                                                      Loser

Last edited by Loser (8/7/08 15:23)


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#4 8/7/08 22:05

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Loser: Yes your version is very brutal!

coool: There is a lot to look at, but you can keep it simple.  The melee profile has 4 basic parts:
1) The abilities of the character that uses this melee.  You can ignore this section for now.
2) Attack moves, what sort of combat moves the character will do. This is where you probably want to focus your attention.
3) Evade moves, how the character will evade your attacks.
4) Maneuver moves, it causes the character to do something... :-)

So for example this is the code for Crescent Moon:

<Technique>
    <Name>CrescentMoon</Name>
   <Flags>Interruptible</Flags>
   <Weight>30</Weight>
   <Offset_0138>10</Offset_0138>
   <RepeatDelay>60</RepeatDelay>
   <Moves>
     <Position Type="CloseForward" MinRunInDist="0" MaxRunInDist="4.5" ToleranceRange="5.5" />
     <Attack Type="K" />
     <Attack Type="KK" />
     <Attack Type="KKKF" />
   </Moves>
</Technique>

Now even thouh it is a combo move, you have to list each attack separately.  So to get started, you might just focus on the Attack Type and see the effect on the character by changing the attack moves.  If you use the last melee profile "Testing" melee ID 44 (hex 2C), then the character that uses that melee ID will have just the one attack move, so its easy to see how it works.

Last edited by EdT (8/7/08 22:10)

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#5 12/7/08 5:21

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

@Loser: I like the new Brutal Konoko. But I think you also changed other characters' melee profiles. Is that true? (I mean other characters look like they never use special moves)

Last edited by love_Oni (12/7/08 9:30)


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#6 17/7/08 21:50

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

I dont have a level 0 folder :S

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#7 17/7/08 22:07

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Vital Flame: You need to install Anniversary Edition:
http://wiki.oni2.net/AE
You can use AE Tools to install it on the Mac:
http://wiki.oni2.net/AE:Anniversary_Edition_Tools

It works on OSX 10.3 and up.

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#8 17/7/08 22:42

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Ehhhhh Im Confused, I'm not that good at this stuff. I donloaded the AE tools, but i dont know how to put the brutal konoko in the there.

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#9 18/7/08 2:43

coool
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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

ONI\edition\GameDataFolder\level0_Final

put it into level0_Final folder,and recombine the level~

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#10 18/7/08 4:41

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

The odd thing is after I copied it to level0 folder and recompiled level 0, I can realized the new Brutal Konoko and I also realized that other characters' fighting skill is very poor sad (I mean they never use special moves)


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#11 18/7/08 9:09

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Vital Flame: Did you follow the steps on AE Tools? AE Tools needs to be put inside your Oni Folder
1) Download and install the Mono framework?
2) Download and put the edition folder in your Oni Folder?
3) Install edition (It will take at least 20 minutes, so be patient)

Take a look inside the GameDataFolder, you should see folders such as level0_Final, level1_Final and so on. This means Anniversary Edition was installed.

You will put the melee profile file in the level0_Final folder and go back to AE Tools use the drop down menu and select level 0 to recompile or rebuild the level data files.  Now try fighting Evil Konoko in the Dream lab level.

love_Oni: Well now you can improve the melee of the other characters by modifying the melee profile as .xml file smile

Last edited by EdT (18/7/08 9:12)

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#12 18/7/08 15:58

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

I donwloaded the Mono Framework
I put the EDITION folder in the oni folder
I installed it. Then it tells me i have an error. Did i do something wrong?

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#13 18/7/08 16:10

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Vital Flame: What was the error message?

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#14 18/7/08 18:50

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Oni got an error: "cd '/Users/roy/Desktop/'edition; ./big_zeal.sh" doesn't understand the «event coredosc» message. (-1708)

I have nooooo idea what that means.

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#15 18/7/08 19:46

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

OK, it looks like you have the edition folder on your desktop, it should be inside the Oni Folder along with the AE Tools.

Also, what OS are you running and the type of Mac you're on.

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#16 18/7/08 19:59

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Im running 10.3.9

Ok, I put the AE tools and edition in the onigamedata folder. then when i click install edition on the AE tools. I cant CHOOSE Edition. am i supposed to choose oni?

Last edited by Vital Flame (18/7/08 20:03)

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#17 18/7/08 20:42

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Hmmm... what do you mean you can't choose Edition? What happens when you click on the install button?

You should get a dialog box, saying that it will it will take over 20 minutes to complete, and when you press the OK button, it should open the terminal and start the process. I tested the program in 10.3.9 and it works.

Or you can do it the old fashion way :-)

Open the Terminal program.

In the Terminal window, type cd and a space. Next find the edition folder, click and drag the folder to the terminal window, you will now see a path to the edition folder, press the RETURN key.  Next open the edition folder and find the file big_zeal.sh, click and drag the file to the terminal window, now press the RETURN key.  That should start the install process.  It will take at least 20 minutes for it to complete, just be patient.

If there is a problem, copy the error message from the terminal and post it here.

Last edited by EdT (18/7/08 21:22)

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#18 18/7/08 22:31

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

When I put Install Edition It goes to oni, the game. idk why it sends me strait to the game, when i quit. thats when the erroe message pops up.

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#19 18/7/08 22:50

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

When you press the Install Edition button, what does the dialog box say?

Now the button Window Mode will open Oni in a window and you will see the startup menu, is that what happens?

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#20 18/7/08 23:23

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

When I press Install Edition it shows up a bunch of apps.

When i press the window mode, oni shows up and i can see the startup menu.

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#21 18/7/08 23:43

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

When I press Install Edition it shows up a bunch of apps.

When it shows you a bunchof apps, what does the title bar say?
Do you get a dialog box before the bunch of apps appear?

When I press Install Edition I get a dialog box that says "The installation may take over 20 minutes to complete..."
I've tried AE Tools on several computers, 10.3 to 10.5 and always get that dialog box.

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#22 19/7/08 0:05

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

When i press INSTALL EDITION a bunch of applications pop out on a scroll bar. It wants me to pick something, i just dont know what to pick.

PS Sorry about the frustrationn.

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#23 19/7/08 14:30

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

Vital Flame:  We'll figure this out.  I made a short video of what is supposed to happen:
http://drop.io/EdT_OniFiles

Can you take a screenshot of your Oni Folder and also the screen where the bunch of apps appears.
Better yet, if you can make a screencast of what's happening on your computer when you use AE Tools.

Both these programs should work on 10.3.9
ScreenRecord:
http://www.miensoftware.com/screenrecord.html
(Or some Macs come with Snapzpro)

iSquint
http://www.isquint.org/

Once you get a screencast of your setup, use iSquint to compress the movie file. Use the options "Optimize for TV", H.264 Encoding

Then you can upload it to http://drop.io/EdT_OniFiles

Last edited by EdT (19/7/08 14:31)

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#24 19/7/08 16:26

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

This is what pops up when I press install edition.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1496 … lemtr2.png

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#25 19/7/08 16:41

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Re: Brutal Konoko - just got more brutal...

I got it!  Its asking Where is the Terminal App?  Scroll through the Applications folder until you get to the Utilites folder, then look for the Terminal application and select it.

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