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Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

well now that Oxe voted it would be, and i just realized that you could simply vote no for every law, if it isnt passed, others lose points if it is, you get 10 points... ima have to change that....

But if everyone votes no to everything, nobody wins. Unless of course you make the goal of the game to be -100 points. Or make points not matter at all, by making the goal something completely different.

Proposal:
305. The winning condition is to be changed so that you can win with 100 positive or 100 negative points.

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Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
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Mukade

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From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada

Registered: 05/29/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

No - on the basis that someone can make up a rule that benefits them extremely, everyone votes it down, and that person can just keep on getting negatve points

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Gumby

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From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Hmph, you are right. There is no way to force someone to have positive points.

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Mukade

Member

From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada

Registered: 05/29/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

so does the judge overrule the law?

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Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

No, its not an illegal law, just a stupid one. -_-

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Tudorge

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From: Romania, Bucharest

Registered: 10/26/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

I propose a rule wich keeps this thread alive, but only lets harry and gumby to post.

Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Wheee, we both lose 10 points.

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Leus

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From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

I think this will make it less likely that things will stagnate while still keeping the general spirit of rule 204 alive; rule 204 (If and when rule-changes can be adopted without unanimity, the players who vote against winning proposals shall receive 10 points each.) shall be amended to the following:

306.  If and when proposals succeed or fail without unanimity, the players who voted against successful proposals and the players who voted in favor of failed proposals shall gain 10 points each.

Open to suggestions of how to adjust this amendment.

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Gumby

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From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

So when a vote fails, those who voted for it get 10 points? (Also, i would include a clause about the person who created the proposal to get no bonus points.

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Mukade

Member

From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada

Registered: 05/29/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

So when a vote fails, those who voted for it get 10 points? (Also, i would include a clause about the person who created the proposal to get no bonus points.

i was just thinking the same thing

Also, I would reduce the amount to 5 each, 10 is a little too extreme forsimply thinking differently then the majority...

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Unit 2

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Registered: 09/28/08

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Yes on rule 306!

Leus

Member

From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

So when a vote fails, those who voted for it get 10 points?

Yes.

(Also, i would include a clause about the person who created the proposal to get no bonus points.

Why?  If it succeeds, I obviously voted yes and therefore get no bonus points.  If it fails, I voted yes but I won't get bonus points because...it failed.  Lol.  Unless there's something I'm missing here?

Also, can we have an informal vote on whether and by how much the point value of 10 in this rule should be changed?

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Leus

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From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

So does it pass or fail?

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Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Um, that depends on if Mukade was actually voting yes.

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Leus

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From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Mukade:  My personal message is, if you want to, you might as well vote yes; if I alter the wording now we'd have to have everyone re-vote.  To make up for it we can try and change the point goal to a higher number later on. 

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Unit 2

Member

Registered: 09/28/08

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

I shall bring the following:
307. The letter T (upper case and lower case) will be banned from all future posts. Violators will receive -1 point PER POST CONTAINING A T. You may substitute any character for that letter.

Last edited by Unit 2 (11/27/09 16:11)

Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

What happens if you use a t?

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Unit 2

Member

Registered: 09/28/08

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Edited post to include -1 point per post containing a T.

Gumby

Member

From: Seattle, WA, USA

Registered: 08/30/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Should be -1 per T, IMo. I vote yes eithe way

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Iritscen:
Iritscen: it's amazing this program even works
Gumby: i know
Iritscen: and that statement applies to my code, not just yours

Leus

Member

From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

I voe yes, hough I second Gumby's moion of per T.

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Mukade

Member

From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada

Registered: 05/29/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

LOL! I vote yes... unless it's already passed?

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Leus

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From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

On mine or he T one?

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Mukade

Member

From: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada

Registered: 05/29/07

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

Well, it seems yyours failed Leus and since Gumby has declared the T law official, it hasnt been passed yet, although the time is up on it

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Leus

Member

From: Boone, NC

Registered: 05/28/09

Website

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

I've never seen this game be successful. 

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Stevinlewis

Member

From: Singapore

Registered: 03/25/09

Re: Forum game: Nomic.

too complicated i guess